Version 2 Stats

[SimonT]

As some of you may know, I'm currently programming version 2 of the STHS. A lot of discussion on stats happens since the birth of STHS. Is there too much, not enough? Is the option to show reduce rating is use?

I would like to hear your feedback on the stats?

Comme certain de vous le savez, je programme présentement la version 2 du STHS. Beaucoup de discussions sur les côtes ont eu lieu depuis la naissance du STHS. Est-ce qu'il y a trop de côtes, pas assez? Est-ce l'option d'avoir des cotes abrégé est utilisé?

J'aimerais entendre vos commentaires sur les côtes.

--Players
FG = Fighting
DI = Discipline
SK = Skating
ST = Strength
EN = Endurance (New in V2)
DU = Durability
PH = Puck Handling
FO = Face Offs
PA = Passing
SC = Scoring
DF = Defense
PS = Penalty Shot (New in V2)
EX = Experience
LD = Leadership
MO = Morale
PO = Potential

--Goalies
SK = Skating
DU = Durability
ST = Strength
SZ = Size
AG = Agility
RB = Rebound Control
SC = Style Control
HS = Hand Speed
RT = Reaction Time
EX = Experience
LD = Leadership
MO = Morale
PO = Potential

[Kitsune]

Is PS really needed? I always saw penalty shots as a mix of PC, SC and SK, and kinda find the need for such a dedicated stat redundant.

[ESHLCommish]

Is PS really needed? I always saw penalty shots as a mix of PC, SC and SK, and kinda find the need for such a dedicated stat redundant.

Yeah, PS perhaps isn't needed, but what about DK for deking. That way it's a more useful stat just in case one of those 4th liners gets on a breakaway.

[animal74]

What about Consistency as a stat for goalies?

[animal74]

Is PS really needed? I always saw penalty shots as a mix of PC, SC and SK, and kinda find the need for such a dedicated stat redundant.

Yeah, PS perhaps isn't needed, but what about DK for deking. That way it's a more useful stat just in case one of those 4th liners gets on a breakaway.

Wouldn't PH (Puck Handling) be similar to Deking? Although I guess some guys who aren't normally good puck handlers might have a couple super deke moves up their sleeves.

[corporal]

Seeing how the penalty shot has taking off as its own art form so to speak, it should be something included. You should also put in PS for goaltenders as well as some goaltenders, although great during the game, can't stop PS at all. Case in point being Kiprusoff!

[Icepilot]

I don't think we need something like Dekeing, we already have it based on a few ratings.

But i like the PS for the shooter as well as the goaltender.

But that would be more than enough rates for each player. We don't need to have 15 rates for each player. i think we have most skills covered already.

[Foo]

La cote PS et EN sont vraiment les bienvenues, je crois que ça fait le tour cependant pour les joueurs. Ça commencerait à être trop!

J'ajouterais les deux mêmes du côté des gardiens, la durabilité et l'endurance c'est complètement différent, autant chez un gardien que chez un joueur, ce n'est pas tous les gardiens qui peuvent jouer 70 games et des 3 parties en 4 soirs.

J'enlèverais le ST ou le SZ chez les gardiens, vraiment inutile d'avoir les 2.

Je crois que ça pourrais être complet, peut-être un PH pour les gardiens, je sais pas comment le simulateur gère la gestion de la rondelle par un gardien pendant les parties, ça semble assez aléatoire d'après ce que j'ai vue, les meilleurs passeurs dans une saison sont souvent loufoques.

[Foo]

Ha oui, j'ai oublié de parler du partial stats....

J'aimerais si possible avoir la possibilité de ne pas afficher les cotes dans le CLIENT. J'ai un projet de ligue de recrutement et j'aimerais que les gens se fient au rapport du dépisteur plutôt que sur les cotes du joueur. Avec PHP je peux facilement ne pas afficher les cotes des joueurs sur mon site, mais avec le CLIENT tout est visible... le partial stat est bien mais donne quand même un bonne idée des stats du joueur.

[mafiaboss]

I think a player's consitency to his OV should be formulated, to allow more elite players to play elite and to avoid the flukes to gain too much momentum over an entire season.

Also perhaps a rating for invidual/team chemistry where the player has a much bigger impact to the line he plays on and working well with other styles of players. For example: Thornton and ovechkin on the same line should output Ovechkin as the sniper with a ton of goals and Thornton getting the same in assists. Somehow allow one players skill to impact another realistically and boost in cases like I described.

perhaps a chemistry for line combos similar to EA's NHL 2008?

maybe a rating for critical situations or how well a player plays in the last minute of a game, overtime, or in the playoffs?

Maybe even a media rating, lol, where a player reacts positively or negatively to fan or media criticism. the simulator would then have to incorporate some media module, lol. Just some crazy ideas.

for version #3 you could add grafix and offer joystick or mouse support for moving players around, (kidding of course)

[bond007]

Je suis du même avis que Foo.
J'aimerais vraiment un PH pour voir des gardiens sortir plus que d'autres du filet pour relancer l'attaque, relancer l'attaque au lieu de geler la rondelle,...

[Foo]

oui surtout que les gardiens gels souvent la rondelle dans la sim. Ça pourrait être une façon de le contrer

[SimonT]

If I understand well, for player, adding the EN and PS please everyone. For goalies, you want to add EN, PS, PH and remove ST.

Si je comprend bien, pour les joueurs, rajouter le EN et PS rend tout le monde heureux. Pour les gardiens, vous voulez rajouter le EN, PS, PH et enlever le ST?

[ESHLCommish]

If I understand well, for player, adding the EN and PS please everyone. For goalies, you want to add EN, PS, PH and remove ST.

Si je comprend bien, pour les joueurs, rajouter le EN et PS rend tout le monde heureux. Pour les gardiens, vous voulez rajouter le EN, PS, PH et enlever le ST?

I still think a Deking (DK) would be much for useful than a PS. Because DK could apply to breakaways as well.

[Kitsune]

I still say both are not needed, as Dekeing is covered in puck handling and skating, and PS is covered with SK/PH/SC and possibly a few others. I defintely like to have something for goalies that cover horizontal movement (how fast they can get side to side). I dont think thats really covered by anything, maybe RT and SC? Also, we need a more solid answer on SC, I still dont get what the point of it is, even though it appears to have the biggest impact on a goalies OV.