EmptyNet wrote:Is it correct to assume that if not mentioned the zone has not changed? (ie: until the next time a zone is mentioned, all entries reference events in the "current" zone?)
Yes. The puck stays in the zone until we're told otherwise.
EmptyNet wrote:Is it possible to break the FPbP log down like that?
SimonT wrote:the change are you asking me will be very long to do for me and will only benefit you.
I don't think such a change is really needed as, technically, you could probably add time stamps yourself. Let me explain.
Here's a couple of examples of "timed" plays:
Full play by play wrote:Matt Cullen wins face-off versus Mikael Backlund in Calgary Flames zone.
Pass to Pierre-Marc Bouchard.
Pass to Devin Setoguchi.
Pass to Matt Cullen.
Wrist shot by Matt Cullen.
Stopped by Miikka Kiprusoff with a rebound.
Free Puck Retrieved by Pierre-Marc Bouchard for Minnesota Wild.
Wrist shot by Pierre-Marc Bouchard.
Shot Blocked by TJ Brodie.
Free Puck Retrieved by Matt Cullen for Minnesota Wild.
Snap shot by Matt Cullen.
Shot Misses the Net.
Free Puck Retrieved by Tom Gilbert for Minnesota Wild.
Pass to Devin Setoguchi.
Snap shot by Devin Setoguchi.
Shot Misses the Net.
Play by play wrote:1:19 of 1st period - Matt Cullen wins face-off versus Mikael Backlund in Calgary Flames zone.
1:26 of 1st period - Wrist shot by Matt Cullen.
1:26 of 1st period - Stopped by Miikka Kiprusoff with a rebound.
1:28 of 1st period - Wrist shot by Pierre-Marc Bouchard.
1:28 of 1st period - Shot Blocked by TJ Brodie.
1:30 of 1st period - Snap shot by Matt Cullen.
1:30 of 1st period - Shot Misses the Net.
1:34 of 1st period - Snap shot by Devin Setoguchi.
1:34 of 1st period - Shot Misses the Net.
We can learn quite a few things from just these 15 seconds of play.
1. The two shots taken at 1:28 & 1:30 were plays where a player picked up a rebound and fired a shot on net. These plays take two seconds.
2. The play at 1:34 was a play where a player picked up a rebound and passed the puck to another player who then took a shot on net. The added play of the pass took an extra two seconds.
3. The play at 1:26 took seven seconds to develop from face-off to shot on net. The play consisted of a face-off win, three passes and a shot. If we give a passing play two seconds to develop, we can then afford a face-off win one second, giving us the seven seconds needed to account for this shot from Matt Cullen to develop.
Here's how the play breaks down if we add
Start and
End time stamps to each play:
Full play by play wrote:Start 1:18 - End 1:19 - Matt Cullen wins face-off versus Mikael Backlund in Calgary Flames zone.
Start 1:20 - End 1:21 - Pass to Pierre-Marc Bouchard.
Start 1:22 - End 1:23 - Pass to Devin Setoguchi.
Start 1:24 - End 1:25 - Pass to Matt Cullen.
Start 1:26 - End 1:26 - Wrist shot by Matt Cullen.
Start 1:26 - End 1:26 - Stopped by Miikka Kiprusoff with a rebound.
Start 1:27 - End 1:27 - Free Puck Retrieved by Pierre-Marc Bouchard for Minnesota Wild.
Start 1:28 - End 1:28 - Wrist shot by Pierre-Marc Bouchard.
Start 1:28 - End 1:28 - Shot Blocked by TJ Brodie.
Start 1:29 - End 1:29 - Free Puck Retrieved by Matt Cullen for Minnesota Wild.
Start 1:30 - End 1:30 - Snap shot by Matt Cullen.
Start 1:30 - End 1:30 - Shot Misses the Net.
Start 1:31 - End 1:31 - Free Puck Retrieved by Tom Gilbert for Minnesota Wild.
Start 1:32 - End 1:33 - Pass to Devin Setoguchi.
Start 1:34 - End 1:34 - Snap shot by Devin Setoguchi.
Start 1:34 - End 1:34 - Shot Misses the Net.
If we instead focus on the Mike Hoffman shot at 0:32 of the game you referenced and break it down we see that the play developed like this:
Full play by play wrote:Jeff Carter wins face-off versus Mike Hoffman in neutral zone.
Pass to Gustav Nyquist.
Gustav Nyquist moves puck in TEAM A zone.
Pass to T.J. Oshie.
Pass to Drew Doughty.
Pass to Gustav Nyquist.
Pass by Gustav Nyquist intercepted by Hampus Lindholm.
Pass to Mike Hoffman.
Mike Hoffman moves puck in neutral zone.
Pass to Joe Pavelski.
Pass to Lee Stempniak in TEAM B zone.
Pass to Joe Pavelski.
Pass to Mike Hoffman.
Snap shot by Mike Hoffman.
Play by play wrote:0:01 of 1st period - Jeff Carter wins face-off versus Mike Hoffman in neutral zone.
0:32 of 1st period - Snap shot by Mike Hoffman.
The play consists of one face-off win, ten passes, one interception and two zone entries where players carried the puck into the zone. In total these plays took 32 seconds.
If we give each passing play two seconds and the face-off win one second as per the examples above, that gives us a total of 21 seconds accounted for, leaving 11 seconds for one interception and two zone entries. We might assume that an interception is similar to picking up a loose puck as with the rebounds above, which would leave 9 seconds for two zone entries.
Obviously, the sample size is terribly small here and I haven't looked at it in any detail what so ever so the notion of all passing plays taking the same amount of time may very well be completely false, but for arguments sake let's assume they do. The zone entries are interesting then because I would imagine that they would not be fixed in the same fashion in terms of their duration (and having 9 seconds for two zone entries in this example points us in this direction). When Nyquist for example carried the puck into the Team A zone we don't know for how long he held on to it before passing it to Oshie. Did he just cross the blue line and then make the pass, or did he carry the puck deep into the zone, execute a cycle play with Oshie in the corner before Oshie passed it back to Doughty on the point? Or perhaps more importantly; for how long did he carry the puck in the neutral zone before crossing the blue line? We just don't know.
Here's another example where a player carried the puck into the offensive zone:
Full play by play wrote:Matt Stajan wins face-off versus Mikko Koivu in neutral zone.
Pass to Alex Tanguay.
Alex Tanguay moves puck in Minnesota Wild zone.
Wrist shot by Alex Tanguay.
Stopped by Niklas Backstrom with a rebound.
Play by play wrote:8:11 of 1st period - Matt Stajan wins face-off versus Mikko Koivu in neutral zone.
8:14 of 1st period - Wrist shot by Alex Tanguay.
8:14 of 1st period - Stopped by Niklas Backstrom with a rebound.
Clearly we see how Tanguay carried the puck for a much shorter time than what we can expect to have happened in your game leading up to the Hoffman shot. If we add Start and End stamps to the Tanguay shot it looks like this:
Start 8:10 - End 8:11 - Matt Stajan wins face-off versus Mikko Koivu in neutral zone.
Start 8:12 - End 8:13 - Pass to Alex Tanguay.
Start 8:13 - End 8:13 - Alex Tanguay moves puck in Minnesota Wild zone.
Start 8:14 - End 8:14 - Wrist shot by Alex Tanguay.
Start 8:14 - End 8:14 - Stopped by Niklas Backstrom with a rebound.
This play quite clearly hints at how the duration of puck transports can be flexible. But if we were to assign time stamps to these plays, it wouldn't be terribly difficult to give that type of play a flexible duration in order to fit all the fixed plays into the time frames provided by the Play by play.
An example for the Hoffman shot could look like this:
Full play by play wrote:Start 0:00 - End 0:01 - Jeff Carter wins face-off versus Mike Hoffman in neutral zone.
Start 0:02 - End 0:03 - Pass to Gustav Nyquist.
Start 0:04 - End 0:08 - Gustav Nyquist moves puck in TEAM A zone.
Start 0:09 - End 0:10 - Pass to T.J. Oshie.
Start 0:11 - End 0:12 - Pass to Drew Doughty.
Start 0:13 - End 0:14 - Pass to Gustav Nyquist.
Start 0:15 - End 0:16 - Pass by Gustav Nyquist intercepted by Hampus Lindholm.
Start 0:17 - End 0:18 - Pass to Mike Hoffman.
Start 0:19 - End 0:23 - Mike Hoffman moves puck in neutral zone.
Start 0:24 - End 0:25 - Pass to Joe Pavelski.
Start 0:26 - End 0:27 - Pass to Lee Stempniak in TEAM B zone.
Start 0:28 - End 0:29 - Pass to Joe Pavelski.
Start 0:30 - End 0:31 - Pass to Mike Hoffman.
Start 0:32 - End 0:32 - Snap shot by Mike Hoffman.
Interesting project. Wish I had time to play around with it some more.