Assists still too low

Philippe27 · Post by **Philippe27** » Thu Aug 03, 2006 7:16 am

I simmed many seasons with the new version of the sim and I stiill find assists are way too low. The leader in goals always has about the same goals as the leader in assists has assists.
I know I've said this a lot of times and you tried to fix it but it still isn't. I still think the problem is that more goals need to be scored on rebounds and deflections etc or from other situations where the puck just bounbces around in front of the net and there's a lot of passes.

Simon Beaudoin · Post by **Simon Beaudoin** » Thu Aug 03, 2006 7:43 am

Je dois avouer que je perçois également le problème.

J'ai réussi à obtenir ce que je juge un nombre de buts normal qui est équivalent à ce que j'avais par les années passées et qui ressemble à la LNH comme mes cotes sont basées sur les stats de la LNH...

Dans mes 3 dernières saisons de tests, les meneurs ont fini ainsi :

Saison 1 : 48 buts vs 43 passes
Saison 2 : 65 buts vs 55 passes
Saison 3 : 58 buts vs 48 passes

Si je prend ma dernière saison, le meilleur buteur a fini à 45 buts et le meilleur passeur à 70 passes. Et les les 3 saisons avant, le nombre de passes du meneur était supérieur à 65.

Je m'attendrais en principe à obtenir un meneur des passes entre 60 et 80 avec les cotes que j'utilise. Comble de la chose, lors de ces 3 saisons de tests, ce sont des défenseurs qui ont terminé meilleur passeur.

Post by **SimonT** » Thu Aug 03, 2006 9:40 am

What did I answer numerous times to you? Find out WHY in the play by play. Comments are like this one are plain useless to me.

Philippe27 · Post by **Philippe27** » Thu Aug 03, 2006 5:19 pm

SimonT wrote:What did I answer numerous times to you? Find out WHY in the play by play. Comments are like this one are plain useless to me.

I still think the problem is that more goals need to be scored on rebounds and deflections etc or from other situations where the puck just bounbces around in front of the net and there's a lot of passes.

What else do you want me to say? It's not just a small adjustment it's a big change.
Make forwards cycle the puck more around the net, more passes in the offensive zone between forwards and then a pass to the front of the net which loeads to a goal.

laving · Post by **laving** » Thu Aug 03, 2006 5:55 pm

Somewere, we all have to see the difference between NHL and STHS!

I'm happy because there actually is a Play by Play in STHS...

pmougeot · Post by **pmougeot** » Thu Aug 03, 2006 6:01 pm

Philippe27 I will see what I can do for you with the guy's. I will try to talk to Simon to see if he understands what you are requesting and I will come back to you.

Is this satisfactory?

Pat

Philippe27 · Post by **Philippe27** » Fri Aug 04, 2006 7:12 am

pmougeot wrote:Philippe27 I will see what I can do for you with the guy's. I will try to talk to Simon to see if he understands what you are requesting and I will come back to you.

Is this satisfactory?

Pat

Yes it is, thank you

Philippe27 · Post by **Philippe27** » Fri Aug 04, 2006 7:14 am

laving wrote:Somewere, we all have to see the difference between NHL and STHS!

I'm happy because there actually is a Play by Play in STHS...

This isn't about the difference between NHL and STHS. It's the difference between NHL, AHL, ECHL, OHL, QMJHL, WHL, NCAA, leagues in Europe, Midget AAA, Junior A and all other leagues of hockey you can think of and STHS.

laving · Post by **laving** » Sun Aug 06, 2006 4:17 pm

Philippe27 wrote:
laving wrote:Somewere, we all have to see the difference between NHL and STHS!

I'm happy because there actually is a Play by Play in STHS...
This isn't about the difference between NHL and STHS. It's the difference between NHL, AHL, ECHL, OHL, QMJHL, WHL, NCAA, leagues in Europe, Midget AAA, Junior A and all other leagues of hockey you can think of and STHS.

What I wanted to say was... I don't think we can get everything in the simulator...

I don't think it's important at all. But yeah, we're all different... (=

starfrit · Post by **starfrit** » Wed Aug 09, 2006 7:35 pm

I think it's important. In all the season I simmed, I never had an assists leader with higher numbers than the scoring leader in any built. This isn't happening in real life hockey

laving · Post by **laving** » Thu Aug 10, 2006 10:55 am

I understand what you're trying to say.

I agree that the assist leader should have higher number in assists, than the scoring leader has in goals.

But I don't think it is important how the goals are scored.

Once again, we're all different. (=

Philippe27 · Post by **Philippe27** » Thu Aug 10, 2006 4:33 pm

laving wrote:I understand what you're trying to say.

I agree that the assist leader should have higher number in assists, than the scoring leader has in goals.

But I don't think it is important how the goals are scored.

Once again, we're all different. (=

I don't care how goals are scored but what I described (more passing in the offensive zone and deflections etc) give more assists than other types of goals which is what I was suggesting to fix the problem.

laving · Post by **laving** » Fri Aug 11, 2006 10:03 am

Philippe27 wrote:
laving wrote:I understand what you're trying to say.

I agree that the assist leader should have higher number in assists, than the scoring leader has in goals.

But I don't think it is important how the goals are scored.

Once again, we're all different. (=
I don't care how goals are scored but what I described (more passing in the offensive zone and deflections etc) give more assists than other types of goals which is what I was suggesting to fix the problem.

I see. (=

starfrit · Post by **starfrit** » Sat Aug 12, 2006 11:31 am

I juste made a test, with all players at 99 of PA

Code: Select all

Goals leaders
Player Name                         GP  G     
Rick Nash (NYR)                     82  54    
Martin St-Louis (PIT)               82  51    
Jaromir Jagr (MTL)                  82  50    
Daniel Alfredsson (CAL)             82  49    
Simon Gagne (EDM)                   82  42    
Dany Heatley (TOR)                  82  39    
Thomas Vanek (EDM)                  82  36    
Martin Havlat (CHI)                 82  36    
Ilya Kovalchuk (VAN)                82  35    
Chris Higgins (OTT)                 82  34    

Assists leaders
Player Name                         GP  A     
Kim Johnsson (NYR)                  82  42    
Patrick Marleau (EDM)               82  42    
Dion Phaneuf (TOR)                  82  41    
Daymond Langkow (NYR)               82  40    
Marek Zidlicky (ATL)                82  38    
Philippe Boucher (ATL)              82  38    
Alexei Zhamnov (MTL)                82  38    
Ryan Malone (PIT)                   82  37    
Saku Koivu (L-A)                    82  37    
Miroslav Satan (NYR)                82  37

So if the PA rating doesn't do a thing in this particular case, it's not the commishe's fault if the assists are too low. There must be something else

Post by **SimonT** » Sat Aug 12, 2006 11:51 am

I made modification in the 0.9.6 for that.